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Sorentos approach
« on: June 08, 2017, 11:23:27 AM »
We have been having a blast the past few days with epic conditions on the Kealia to Sorentos run. The only bummer is that the last quarter mile to Sorentos has been a crossed up mess of waves which reduces my paddling to a series of bracing strokes with no more glides.
I noticed that the line I have been taking, which involves lining up with the hotel basically the whole run, takes us across an outside reef area (as evidenced by the brown color of the water) for that last quarter mile, and I think that deep reef is adding a lot to the messiness of the wave action. I was wondering about taking a line that kept us further outside that reef area in the blue water, and then taking a more angled turn at the last minute to head into the beach.
I know that a lot of you guys have tried every variation of line options by now, and am wondering if their is a route for that last quarter mile that provides the cleanest wave action.
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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 07:15:38 PM »
Yeah buddy.  That's the ticket.  On the outside.  That water from boat ramp to Sorrentoes is always torn up.  But an even better option is to go farther to the Andaz.  The water turns from crap to unreal that last mile and also allows you to stay farther outside of the crap zone with the refraction from boat ramp area.    Andaz parking is public beach. Ulua with yellow bar gate off road.  Check it out .. Great shower also.

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 08:51:38 PM »
The folks that are really good at Downwind tend to take an outside line all the way and then turn pretty sharply in to Sorrentos. So yeah, you're on the right path, but it takes some skill to pull it off. I tend to turn too soon and then be pissed at myself. There's very often a big bubble of dead air parked either just before or just after Sorrentos. You will also notice sometimes that there are swells coming straight at you as you near Sorrentos, even though the wind is still behind you. If you look at a detailed map you'll see that's a strangely situated bit of the island, and a flow map of the wind frequently shows the southeast end of the island has wind wrapping around opposite the direction of the wind across the middle of the island--that's a clumsy description, but any wind map will show you what I'm talking about. On some occasions that means for the last mile, or perhaps just a hundred yards, you can have strong wind blowing in your face.

Andaz is often a better choice, but if you get that reversed flow anything further than Sorrentos will suck that much worse. The southside is complex, but you're learning it fast. When it's really good, Makenna Landing is super. I love the approach to Makenna on a day with good wind, lined up all the way. This is another place where the really good folks stay out in the best wind, but I can never convince myself to do it. Too fond of land I guess.
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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 09:06:50 PM »
Yeah buddy.  That's the ticket.  On the outside.  That water from boat ramp to Sorrentoes is always torn up.  But an even better option is to go farther to the Andaz.  The water turns from crap to unreal that last mile and also allows you to stay farther outside of the crap zone with the refraction from boat ramp area.    Andaz parking is public beach. Ulua with yellow bar gate off road.  Check it out .. Great shower also.
John, it's Mokapu Beach, not Ulua.  Sorry.

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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2017, 01:34:41 AM »
Thanks to both Bills. Appreciate your sharing years of wisdom with the new folks.
Pono; I totally relate to your tendency to turn in too early. I keep picturing going by the outside of Sorentos, and then having the wind switch offshore right as I try to make a 90 degree turn in towards the beach from way outside. It seems so much safer to take that conservative angle in, but like you said, I kick myself for taking that messed up line.
Bill; a couple of questions about Mokapu. We have been scoping that one out from land, and always thought it would be smarter to come in on the lee side of the point on the Ulua side, since the landing would be sheltered from both wind and waves. The Mokapu side of the point seems so much more exposed. What is the strategy for choosing to come in on that side of the point upwind of the showers, instead of on the sheltered Ulua side which I think is even a shorter walk to the showers? Also wondering about the visual lineup during the run. It is easy to spot the Mana Kai all the way from Kealia. From that distance, there is a big white building just to the right of the brown Mana Kai building; is that the Andaz for your lineup?
It could be that we are starting too late, but it seems like the wind always dies about the time we pass the Kam parks. Today we had the best first half run ever with the wind pushing near 30 according to iWindsurf, with gust near 40. It was awesome until we got to about Cove Park, and then it went dead and was a schlog the rest of the way to Sorentos. Because the outside was so rough, and with no wind for glide or bump catching, I opted to take the inside line right along the Kam park swim buoys. Going past Sorentos on to Andaz would have killed us for sure. I even felt a moment of that dreaded head wind that Pono talked about. Because my windsurf lessons are usually not over until 1:00, by the time I get that gear packed up, shuttle the vans, and get to Kealia, we are usually launching around 2:30. Maybe too late to count on wind all the way to Andaz? Having sailed there for 30 years, I pretty much have the wind dialed in off the Maui Sunset, but I don't know the tricks for predicting the wind down as far as the Andaz. Any tricks?
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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 10:16:43 AM »
You're right about the lee side of that rock point being the spot to come in.  I didn't know there were two names.  Just be careful rounding that point to come in.  There are rocks semi submerged in the water well off that rock point so swing wide.  You're right about scoping it out from land, maybe take a snorkle and go out there to see how far out the rocks go. 

As far as spotting it, easy, it's the first rock point that sticks out after that long beach from Sorrentoes.   

As far as your timing for runs over there, later is usually better, IF the wind is good.  Often it can go only as far as Cove park as you experienced.  Sometimes it can be filled into the Andaz or where ever and back off during the course of your run.  That's the south shore.  I've been doing it for several years over there and still haven't figured out what exactly makes a good day or not.  My procedure is to go with what I see in the cams.  There are cams in N Kihei but the ones in the S are the ones that matter.  This one is good at Charley Young.  It has a cat offshore so you can see which way it's pointing into the wind.  https://www.mauirealestate.net/video.php?Size=Medium  Sometimes it doesn't fill in till 2:30... or later.  But I usually make 2:30 my cut off with driving and all.  So I make my decision to drive by 1:30.  Let's get our numbers so you can be in on texts.  Ken comes the 15th

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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 10:45:51 AM »
Pray. Or ask Boyum. He goes up to his penthouse and disembowels a chicken.
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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2017, 12:17:33 PM »
There are rocks semi submerged in the water well off that rock point so swing wide.  You're right about scoping it out from land, maybe take a snorkle and go out there to see how far out the rocks go.

Worth going out there with a snorkel regardless - great sea life and some nice structure.  Definitely some submerged rock beyond what it exposed, but then a nice rock wall that drops off sharply to about 20 feet. 

Of course some of the larger "sea life" that frequents the south side makes me a bit uneasy floating on the surface

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Re: Sorentos approach
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2017, 10:33:05 PM »
Hey Bill. I agree about the value of the south end cams. I already have the Charlie Young beach with the anchored cat acting as a wind vane on my bookmark bar, along with this cam which is on the top of the Marriot in Wailea, and looks north and down on the Ulua Beach landing you were talking about. It is nice in that it shows those outside rocks you were talking about. Here is the link: http://www.marriotthawaii.com/wailea-beach-resort-marriott-maui/webcam/
I will send you an email with my phone so that we can share text messages. Janet thinks that you must be getting a big kick out of us finally getting into downwinding after all the years that you have been encouraging us to do it. Thanks for the effort; sorry it took us so long ::)

Pono; it sounds like I need to study Boyum's chicken disemboweling technique.

digger71; Yeah those big south shore visitors sure inspire me to get back on the board quick when I fall. I have some kind of shark karma. I have had face to face conversations with three or four on both sides of the island, including a nice big tiger outside Kanaha who did a taste test on my fin while I was trying to block him from going after one of my students. Talk about motivation not to fall in. :o
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