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SALTO
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..means waterfall and this is what the SALTO is made for.
Steep creeking at its best: it boofs, it turns and it rolls easy - just in case! The SALTO combines alpine performance with maximum safety. If the pros rely on the SALTO, YOU can as well.
New: bigger cockpit for improved comfort and safety
Details:
Bi-X-Blowmoulded by RIKUTEC
IMP-Integrating Moulding Process (Patent pending)
Produced under ISO 9001 standard
.
..means waterfall and this is what the SALTO is made for.
Steep creeking at its best: it boofs, it turns and it rolls easy - just in case! The SALTO combines alpine performance with maximum safety. If the pros rely on the SALTO, YOU can as well.
New: bigger cockpit for improved comfort and safety
Details:
Bi-X-Blowmoulded by RIKUTEC
IMP-Integrating Moulding Process (Patent pending)
Produced under ISO 9001 standard
User reviews
(Updated: October 14, 2007)
Overall rating
4.0
Design
4.0
Perfomance
5.0
Quality
3.0
Value / Money
4.0
Solid Boat
About Myself
First off, I am tall and skinny, so it is difficult for me to find boats that fit both my hight and weight requirements. I am a green, but solid, class IV boater.
About the test environment
I borrowed this boat from a friend to run the Bottom Moose River (IV+, V, V+) at low and medium levels. The river has a wide variety of features from a 45' 60 degree slide to narrow, technical, hole-ridden rapids.
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Over all, I think this boat handles very well. I learned to paddle in a Necky Jive, which is a very fast flat bottomed river runner, and I found that the Salto was very similar, but with more volume. It is very fast and rather edgy, which was comfortable for me.
What was not comfortable for me was the outfitting. Again I am tall and skinny, so take that into consideration. I did not quite max out the seat or foot strechers, but was close. To get it to fit properly, I ended up weighting the back a little more than the front, wich I think affected it's performence. The seat is poorly padded and I had too pull my knees out on all of the flats to keep my legs from falling asleep. The theigh braces were particularly dissapointing. Often when rolling, the first thing I had to do was push my knees back into place, which slowed me down considerably. The back band uses a strap system much like car tiedowns. They were easy to pull tight, but loosened up often. I ended up tieing knots in them to keep them tight.
The last complaint I have sounds petty, but is quite annoying. the drain plug is not in a good location. There was always about a gallon of water left that I had to dump out after draining the boat. Like I said: petty, but annoying.
Conclusions
Again, I stress that alot of the comfort problems probably could be attributed to my lanky perportions, and I over all enjoyed the boat. It is the only creeker that I have paddled, so I don't have anything to compare it to, but from what I gather, it is a well respected hull.Review
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Location: Bottom Moose River, New York
Age: 23
Weight: 70.3 kgs
Age: 23
Weight: 70.3 kgs
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(Updated: January 23, 2007)
Overall rating
5.0
Design
5.0
Perfomance
5.0
Quality
5.0
Value / Money
5.0
Great creeker, just bought the new model to replace my old Salto
About myself
I've been paddling since 1993, prefer paddling class IV stuff, but don't mind running class V if I feel good. The Salto is the boat I bought to stop finding myself in a playboat on runs where a more forgiving design like the Salto would be a safer bet for me.
About the test environment
I paddled the original Salto for several years, mainly on creeks and rivers in the German Eifel, Czech mountains, Greece and Alps. I recently bought the new (2005 model) Salto, and found very little difference in how it handled. The differences I did notice between the two models, I listed below.
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I have been a happy Salto owner for a couple of years, bought one shortly after they first came out. I was very happy with the boat for a couple of years, in fact, I'd have to say that I basically fell in love with it. Finally a boat for someone my weight and size (6'8"/36" inseam plus big feet/220lbs) that handled well! It did exactly what I bought it for (steep creeks and big volume water where my playboat was either too slow or too low volume).
I borrowed it to friends for longer periods of time, and it really got abused. Usually they were newbies or the newbie partners of friends, and it showed. The scratches were all over (I hardly ever get a scratch on the deck!) and the bottom of the boat showed a bit of oilcanning.
Recently another boating buddie tried to find a used Salto, but he failed time and again. Finally I decided to sell him my old Salto and buy a new one, which I won't lend anyone else (or so I intend for now :-) ) who isn't a good paddler!
Today I received my new Salto. Considering that it only cost 640 euro (the listed price is 777 euro here in the Netherlands), that's a lot of boat for so little money!
I'll refrain from listing all the paddling characteristics, partly because that has been done several times before by other reviewers, and because I think that the bottom of the boat has hardly changed (if at all). The old Salto had excellent paddling characteristics, boofing like a charm, coming up very controllably after drops or when punching big holes, being very forgiving and controllable to a fine degree. All in all, a great boat!
What I noticed right away:
There are a lot bigger nuts, (probably double the diameter of the old ones) with plastic cog-like teeth for additional grip, holding the footbrace in place. That is a simple but big improvement, cinsidering how the old ones had very little grip at all, especially when your fingers are cold in the middel of the winter and you can't find the thread on the bolt!
The drain plug is in the middle rear of the hull, between the plastic grip and the rear of the hull. With my old Salto it was located at one corner of the rear deck, which meant that I had to tilt the boat slightly to empty it out. Also, if you hit anything while upside-down, the plug could get damaged. Now it's protected by the grip and hull sticking out further.
They redesigned the upper deck a lot, adding about 20 litres (5 to 6 US gallons). That means that there is more leg room in the front, that even with my 36" long legs and big feet I can stretch my legs all the way, when the footbrace is at the second to last hole. Also, I can lift both my legs up and my knees still fit through the cockpit opening at the same time. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like the cockpit is slightly wider than the old one, especially where the knees go.
The rear deck feels higher, but that might have something to do with the cockpit being tilted backwards. The first negative thing I noticed about the new Salto is that the rear deck is not so stiff. I sat on it and the deck caved in a couple of inches (I know that I still have to put an airbag under it, but I don't remember my old Salto ever having that issue). The good thing about the rear deck and cockpit rim being designed is that I can now comfortably lay back on the deck without the cockpit rim digging in my spine!
Another change on the upper deck is the addition of two molded in grips behind the cockpit. These used to be made of webbing, making them rather difficult to grab when they were flapping around in the water. I consider this an improvement.
They put a new seat in it. It's now so much easier to move the seat forwards or backwards and fasten it again. The sides are open (with your hand from the back), so that even with my big hands you can easily hold the square nut and connect it to the bolt. I used to have big fights with the old system, that's a thing of the past now! I did notice that they only put one bolt on each side, I wonder why that is...
The new seat feels wider (I doubt that my behind has shrunk! ;-) ). They also added a tiny plug in the front to drain any water out.
I'm surprised that they didn't put foam under the seat to prevent oil canning, looks like I need to do that myself, especially since I put the seat a couple of positions backwards, which makes it sit a little bit away from the bottom of the boat in the front.
The backband is now attached differently to the seat, with the strap going through slots in the top of the seat, connecting behind the seat in a double clasp. Compared to the old single clasp strap, this means that it's easier to change it. They also added a little plastic clip to the bungy string at the top of the backband, to be able to quickly connect or disconnect it from the rear of the cockpit.
The thigh braces are stiffer and thicker, and they're not digging into my thighs as much as the old ones. I don't think that I'll be outfitting them with foam, but who knows, I still might. Eskimo added two (3ft?) long sheets of foam with adhesive backing to the boat, as well as paper cutouts so that you can cut them into the right shape and size for the seat, thigh braces and footbrace (which already has a thick block of foam added to it).
I guess the second thing I was surprised about was the lack of a tiny Allen wrench, which used to be standard issue on all Eskimo kayaks in the past. I still have a bunch of those, so it's not a problem, but I think that it's a different size bolt than they would sell in the U.S..
Finally, I noticed that they removed the metal bar in the front deck, I liked that for locking my boat, so it seems that I'll have to go get a stainless steel loop to screw through the deck myself. There also used to be a little neoprene compartment under the front deck. I couldn't find that in my new Salto... I guess I'll have to add that myself as well!
Of course, it's made of the same bombproof Eskimo plastic, with no-nonsense warranty and it lacks a centre pillar, something that I still miss on way too many "creekboats".
This afternoon I went paddling with the paddling buddy who bought my old Salto, and we put them next to one another. The cockpit of the new Salto is indeed quite a bit wider, the deck of the old one is higher, right in front of the cockpit, and the bottom seems to be the same.
All in all, a lot of improvements, and to top it, I got a yellow upper deck/orange lower deck Salto, which is visible better than my old red one and which looks better on pictures as well! :-)
Conclusion
I still love the Salto!
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Location: Alps
Age: 37
Weight: 100 kgs
Age: 37
Weight: 100 kgs
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