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550 HP EV surf buggy?
« on: August 17, 2017, 05:14:57 AM »
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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 07:11:48 AM »
Those are both very nice, but the Fiat Jolly is the ultimate in cool beach transport...

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 07:46:45 AM »
EV West built an electric version of the Jolly. It was one of the things that got me interested in building an electric TR3. I've lost interest in the project though so I'm going to do the TR as just a hot gas powered one. I have too many good parts that are sub-racecar quality but better than standard to waste them.
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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 09:37:08 AM »
Electric cars or hybrids are not my cup of tea and never will be.
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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 04:35:59 AM »
Electric cars or hybrids are not my cup of tea and never will be.

Doesn't stir the blood a tiny bit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPm8Njb4j2o

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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2017, 04:47:18 AM »
Electric cars or hybrids are not my cup of tea and never will be.

I always boggles my mind when people say that.   :o

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2017, 05:05:42 AM »
Electric cars or hybrids are not my cup of tea and never will be.

Doesn't stir the blood a tiny bit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPm8Njb4j2o

Unfortunately, the answer is "no".
Blue Planet Duke: 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 Liters (2 Dukes)
Sup Sports Hammer: 8'11" x 31" x 4" @ 140 Liters
SUP Sports One World: 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 Liters
CJ Nelson Parallax: 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 Liters (prone surfing longboard; Thunderbolt Technologies build in Red construction)

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 05:57:15 AM »
Electric cars or hybrids are not my cup of tea and never will be.

I always boggles my mind when people say that.   :o

You have to understand where I live. Texas is a big state. From Beaumont, Texas to El Paso, Texas; the distance is 827 miles. An all electric vehicle doesn't have the range to make that distance without a few stops for a recharge of it's batteries.

A hybrid vehicle can make the distance, but it has to have it's gasoline powered engine to help to get there because again, the batteries can't make the distance on their own.

Batteries for all electric and hybrid vehicles weigh a ton. I've seen some battery banks that weigh in total 250 pounds (or more). The individual batteries weigh about 125 pounds (or more). Replacing the batteries isn't as easy like replacing the battery in a wireless keyboard or wireless mouse.

Batteries for electric vehicles cost "an eye, an ear, an arm, a leg, three fingers and two toes" money wise. There are no battery charging stations on our roads either. If you leave your house with an all electric vehicle, since there are no charging stations, you'd better make sure you can return to your home.

Hybrid vehicles are seen in the big cities like Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, El Paso, Brownsville, Corpus Christi, Amarillo, Beaumont, etc. But you don't see them out in the wide expanses of our rural Texas counties. Our gung-ho environmentalists live in these big cities, but they don't live in our rural counties.

In our rural counties, the general consensus of the people who live in these counties think all electric vehicles are a novelty and a play toy for the rich. And hybrid vehicles don't even get a first look. Basically, the people who live in our rural counties equate an all electric vehicle with "being stranded on the side of the road" and a hybrid vehicle is a waste of good hard earned money in their way of thinking.

Texas isn't like California. I think I was reading an article where the state of California wants to ban gasoline powered cars by the year 2040. I don't know if that is true or a rumor, but if it is true, that won't fly in the state of Texas. If our Texas legislatures would make a law like that, they would be voted out of office in their next election quicker than the blink of an eye.



« Last Edit: August 18, 2017, 06:26:19 AM by Night Wing »
Blue Planet Duke: 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 Liters (2 Dukes)
Sup Sports Hammer: 8'11" x 31" x 4" @ 140 Liters
SUP Sports One World: 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 Liters
CJ Nelson Parallax: 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 Liters (prone surfing longboard; Thunderbolt Technologies build in Red construction)

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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2017, 08:36:42 AM »
Electrics are intriguing, the performance seems to exceed that of internal combustion without a lot of the design limitations. The only downside seems to be range and recharge time. As range get's longer and recharge time shorter they'll only be more compelling.

But if we're talking ultimate beach buggy status, beyond the Meyers Manx I have to enter the Mini Moke:

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Re: 550 HP EV surf buggy?
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 08:54:56 AM »
NW, that's an interesting observation; it's great to hear points of view that are first-hand. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2017, 11:21:55 AM »
Not everyone in Texas is opposed to electric cars. Texas is Tesla third largest market even with our draconian dealership laws.

Texas is a big state and range is a factor, but with the supercharger network you are rarely more than 160 miles from a supercharger.   https://supercharge.info/
 It takes about 20 to 25 minutes on a supercharger to get 160 miles of range.  If I'm traveling from my home in Mission,TX to San Antonio or Austin, I stop at the supercharger in Three Rivers. I plug the car in, go inside to use the restroom and then grab a burger, and by the time I've finished eating the car has plenty of charge to get me to Austin. We stop somewhere along the way for a potty break, and charging the car adds a few minutes at most to the stop.

For everyday use, I plug the car in every 2 or 3 days, and I never have to stop at a gas station.

I didn't buy a Tesla to save the planet, but because the performance, safety, and user interface is much better than any other car on the road.

The Nikola Zero looks like a blast.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »
@SupPadre

I'm just curious. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your Tesla?

Most of my driving is open highway. I drive a 2001 Chevy Silverado 1500 pickup truck and I've been thinking about replacing it even though it only has 145,000 miles on it. It gets about 22 mph on the highway and around 18 mpg in the city. Not too shabby for a 270 hp motor built back in October of 2000.

I've been toying with the idea of replacing my Chevy truck with a Honda Civic Hatchback LX. It has a 174 hp, 1.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engine with automatic transmission which gets about 31 mpg in the city and around 40 mpg on the open highway. Cost is around ($22,000).

And I'm going to bet your Tesla costs a lot more than ($22,000).
Blue Planet Duke: 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 Liters (2 Dukes)
Sup Sports Hammer: 8'11" x 31" x 4" @ 140 Liters
SUP Sports One World: 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 Liters
CJ Nelson Parallax: 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 Liters (prone surfing longboard; Thunderbolt Technologies build in Red construction)

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2017, 03:27:48 PM »
Nightwing,

Purchase price was 130k, but I leased mine for 1500 a month. At the time Elon said he would have fully autonomous cars ready in three years, and I want one if he does. I ended up with the Tesla after experiencing sticker shock when I went to the Ford dealer to replace my 2012 F150. A new F150 with leather was going to cost over 60K. One of my business partners who needs a truck to pull a trailer leased an F150 King Ranch last year and the lease was 1200 a month, so the Tesla is costing me 300 a month more than a really nice F150. Both vehicles have adaptive cruise control, but the Tesla is a lot more fun to drive. I'm sure the Honda is a good buy, I drove a late 80's Honda Prelude, and they make great cars.


One of the things my wife and I enjoy most about living down here is being able to drive on the beach. She saw a vehicle very similar to the Nikola Zero last week and said she wanted one of those to explore the beach. When I pointed out there was no air conditioning she wasnt quite as excited about that ride:-)

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2017, 06:17:46 PM »
Here's the supercharger network in Texas: https://www.tesla.com/findus#/bounds/36.5007041,-93.50803889999997,25.8371638,-106.64564610000002?search=supercharger&name=texas  And that's JUST superchargers. There are charging stations everywhere in texas. You don't know where they are because you don't need them. A quick google search turned up about 300.

You really drive 827 miles non-stop? Most people stop every 300 max. Get a snack, bathroom break, fill the tank. You can do the same thing at a Supercharger, but the fillup is free. Forever if you have an S or X.

People say "there are a lot more gas stations than charging stations. Yup, that's because they are only necessary for long trips and are therefore placed at midpoints. You don't need one near your house because you charge at night while you're sleeping. My wife's car is always ready to go, fully charged in the garage. Imagine if your gas tank automatically got filled in your garage. How often would you have to visit a neighborhood gas station. The answer is: Never. 

Nearly everything else you said in your post is also wrong. People don't buy as many Teslas in Texas because they can't be sold there under Texas franchise law. The dealer lobby is too strong--in other words, your right to buy the car you might prefer has been sold to lobbyists. You don't have that choice unless you go out of state to buy one. And still the number of Teslas in texas is growing fast. The response to taking a test drive in a Tesla is always the same: "Holy shit that's an amazing car." Doesn't happen in a Honda.

My wife has had a model S for several years--she will never buy another IC car even though given her nature she always is concerned about range. The car is simply too good to consider anything else. By every measure. Compared to the Bentley Continental Flying Spur she previously owned, the Tesla is a more comfortable, smoother, quieter, and quicker car. The Bently had 552 horsepower, twin turbocharged, W12 engine with AWD. The Tesla is a LOT quicker. the Bently had completely confusing user controls, the Tesla is intuitive, and does software updates in your garage, while it's charging, automatically. You come out in the morning and the car does a bunch of new things, and some old things better.

I've been working on, building, racing, and owning gasoline-powered engines my entire life. I'm as much of a petrol-head as you are ever likely to meet. And I'd say this--internal combustion is dead. Buying a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle is buying the past. I just had to buy a new 2017 F350 truck. Great truck, I like it a lot, it's much better than my old Diesel. But buying it made me gag. I can't get what I need in an electric yet. When I can I will.

I'm not alone in predicting this: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21726071-it-had-good-run-end-sight-machine-changed-world-death

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« Last Edit: August 18, 2017, 07:06:38 PM by PonoBill »
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