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Sam the Surfer

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2017, 08:33:44 PM »
Took the Hydrus Flying Scud to the river for a quick one- and it was a break through!! Had some sustained 3-5 second flights on a smaller wave. A professional kayaker was there and even tried it. ⚡️⚡️⚡️

The bi-wing configuration with 250 square inches in the front and 80 square inches on the back flew in a wave that was flowing 6-7 mph's.  lots of options to tweak... any suggestions?


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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 02:41:10 AM »
Suggestions ?
 Keep going mate, it looks like you're having a great time !

 Which one is you ? The guy in the helmet or the other one ?

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2017, 03:17:18 AM »
Someone needs to do a three wing foil and paint it red..  :)

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2017, 06:33:33 AM »
I thought the same thing.
Foote 10'4X34", SIC 17.5 V1 hollow and an EPS one in Hood River. Foote 9'0" x 31", L41 8'8", 18' Speedboard, etc. etc.

Sam the Surfer

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2017, 06:57:06 AM »
I'm the smiling guy under the helmet- it was a pretty big day and breakthrough to foil surf a small wave on the Spokane river. The potential is there!!

There are extenders to raise or lower the wings off the fuselog so a tri or quad wing is totally possible. My issue in the river is hitting bottom as well as kicking off the side and hitting rocks so shorter wings side to side help a lot.  A wing extender down would be troublesome in most of the river spots unless I can get a mast of 15 inches instead of 20.

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2017, 03:01:11 AM »
Sam, that's amazing that you even thought of foiling in the river, it's hard enough to learn how to foil but to do it with a variable flow and shallow rocks all around you....
 I saw all the different arrangements that the crazy foil can do.
 I know the current gestalt is to have rear foil aimed down but have you tried it with both foils set at the same AOA ? Zero ?

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2017, 06:30:20 PM »
Surffoils,
I have tried the set-up with the rear wing straight but there wasn't enough lift which causes the front of the board to drive down and then a tip over. In fact, because of the huge amount of rocker in the the 6'8" Hydrus Scud river surf board, there is a shim for the entire tbar and wings.
Rivers are interesting because of the eddy line and static wave. I wonder a lot about the waves I surf which are sometimes a pile and sometimes green but the rear wing may or may not be in 'moving' water. The set-up is pushed really far forward on the board. I'm thinking if this will work here, it could work on the ocean as well.
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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2017, 12:51:59 AM »
Sam, I've been foiling for 13 years but your river foiling is just mesmerising. I understand the dynamics of the 'standing wave' but the danger and variables of riverfoiling is something I would never have thought of.
 It's  such an interesting comment that the rear wing isn't in moving water due to the geography of the river bed, depth and direction/turbulence of flow.

I ask about setting both foils at the same angle , 0 or any positive angle because the current setup of having the rear foil set at a negative clearly slows the foil, even tho it provides the Down to point the front foil Up. With both foils set at a +Ve angle all the available area is lifting creating max lift and speed, the overall area can be reduced because it's more effective. You'd have to move back to balance between the 2 lifting foils.

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2017, 03:49:38 AM »
Someone needs to do a three wing foil and paint it red..  :)

I'm sure some Fokker will do just that DJ... ;D

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2017, 12:57:39 PM »
here is a short vid of a run with the rear foil lifting as well although set as close to zero degrees as possible by eye ball. certainly harder to pump i think with a smoother technique this could be the go

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2017, 02:07:50 PM »
I love it Container. It shows you're still getting lift from the foil cross section rather than AOA.
 The 'Double O' setup should be faster and fly further.

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2017, 10:20:13 AM »
after some rigorous testing (few beers and ~1 hour riding) im definitely in surf foils camp, with both foils lifting the board is extremely fast and responsive, you can power up the trough and catch up to the boat no worries when wake surfing. pumping is alot harder than with the 'normal' foil set up as it doesnt want to fall into the natural cycle very easily, it relies more in you lifting your back foot hard while pushing down on the front otherwise the whole board just goes up and down and you stop. i think there is potential here, just need to nip back to the workshop and whip up a sup board that actually works 

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2017, 04:37:28 PM »
Interesting stuff! I had my foil apart today and realised the rear wing could actually be flipped upside down very easy so my have to try to see what happens.

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2017, 06:26:00 PM »
after some rigorous testing (few beers and ~1 hour riding) im definitely in surf foils camp, with both foils lifting the board is extremely fast and responsive, you can power up the trough and catch up to the boat no worries when wake surfing. pumping is alot harder than with the 'normal' foil set up as it doesnt want to fall into the natural cycle very easily, it relies more in you lifting your back foot hard while pushing down on the front otherwise the whole board just goes up and down and you stop. i think there is potential here, just need to nip back to the workshop and whip up a sup board that actually works

The rear wing has an angle of attack that creates lift or are you talking about neither wing having lift?
I have the entire foil set up shimmed with a positive angle of attack.

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Re: Wing Configuration
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2017, 03:58:50 AM »
after some rigorous testing (few beers and ~1 hour riding) im definitely in surf foils camp, with both foils lifting the board is extremely fast and responsive, you can power up the trough and catch up to the boat no worries when wake surfing. pumping is alot harder than with the 'normal' foil set up as it doesnt want to fall into the natural cycle very easily, it relies more in you lifting your back foot hard while pushing down on the front otherwise the whole board just goes up and down and you stop. i think there is potential here, just need to nip back to the workshop and whip up a sup board that actually works

Well thanks for the validation Container !
 As a way of educating but not advertising, there are many ways to make a current foil better and making both foils at 0 deg AOA is a start. It won't pump like the standard foil because you've lengthened the pivot from one foil to two but the advantage is maximum speed and much better control.
 Please MOD don't think I'm advertising against the current foil companies, I'm just offering what I know so everyone gets more out of foiling.

 


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